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Sorry about the bad experience you had. Its unfortunate that people are just trying to get the sale (or maybe the salesperson is new and does not know). Also, I do research about every animal (fish, inverts, coral etc) that I put into my tank. :)
 
but the big thing to remember about saltwater is that it is not as forgiving as fresh and sometimes fish just die... not saying this happened in ur case here but it does happen and there is nothing u can do about it. with ur situation here the thing to do is just learn from the mistake and know not to do it next time. and as much as u want to fill ur tank just wait the tank isnt goin anywhere and as far as clicks and finger pointing i think some people give good info just dont have the rite delivery of that info and u just have to take what the say and make ur own choice. i never take anyone's word as law and u shouldnt either even an lfs but thats my 2 cents u can take what u want out of it
 
Aquaman said:
you never seen a fish you liked asked the clerk about it ... and bought it . im not talking about reading a fish book having prior knowledge and buying it ,,, im talking strickley impulse...for instance seeing a shrimp and saying what can you tell me about this shrimp... ect... and knowing the basics about shrimp... proceed to buy it? .. and you know every minor detail about every animal about your tank..? I'm not tying to be a jerk.. and i do appreciate your kind words..but the truth is we all ... do it .... so you should never ever even need to post here about anything then? because you know everything to expect prior to buying?...because we all have basic knowledge about our livestock ... and hope the ppl selling the stuff to be helpful and with luck fill in the knowledge we don't have (if they are honest) .. cuz after all no one here ( even herbie lol ) is Jacques Cousteau .


maybe its time for lfs to hire ppl that know what they are selling .. instead of the first punk looking for 8.50 an hr
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I bought paid for left on hold did reasearch and told them it wont work in my tank and got money back. Honestly impulse buys crashed my tank twice as a noob losing 800$ worth of fish both times so i wised up and got new methods . U might want new methods too buddy
 
Aquaman said:
you never seen a fish you liked asked the clerk about it ... and bought it . im not talking about reading a fish book having prior knowledge and buying it ,,, im talking strickley impulse...for instance seeing a shrimp and saying what can you tell me about this shrimp... ect... and knowing the basics about shrimp... proceed to buy it? .. and you know every minor detail about every animal about your tank..? I'm not tying to be a jerk.. and i do appreciate your kind words..but the truth is we all ... do it .... so you should never ever even need to post here about anything then? because you know everything to expect prior to buying?...because we all have basic knowledge about our livestock ... and hope the ppl selling the stuff to be helpful and with luck fill in the knowledge we don't have (if they are honest) .. cuz after all no one here ( even herbie lol ) is Jacques Cousteau .


maybe its time for lfs to hire ppl that know what they are selling .. instead of the first punk looking for 8.50 an hr
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I was only commenting on the "bastard liar" stuff. I'll check back with you when you're running a retail establishment at .1% margins to see if you want to spend 45 minutes talking to a douche wanting to buy a $12 shrimp while your best customer is waiting next to a $200 fish. I'm sure you'll want to pay people with doctorates in marine biology to take care of your water changes and glass cleaning in case they get a questions from someone without a smartphone. :)
 
Just IMO bro always do research b4 buying a fish.. It'll save u money and save a fishy life in the long run.. And never trust what lfs says not unless they are creditable... Now a days everyone has a smart phone.. Use it bro and research.. There's a lot of fish I wanna buy at lfs but I stop and hesitate and read up on them b4 I buy... We have all made similar mistakes.. Just improve ur methods of buying so u won't have this type of headache
 
Your tank your responsibility bottom line the old saying when you point your finger in blame you have three other fingers pointing back at yourself.
 
I have never asked a clerk about a fish, shrimp etc and then bought it.

I don't know every minor detail about every animal in my tank.

I do post here (and other forums) about different animals that I buy.

I do start threads to gain knowledge.

I am very impulsive when I buy shoes :lol (2):
 
Hey aqua

Bottom line is fish died do to inexperience/knowledge of the fish on ur part.. No body else's fault not even the lfs that u bought it from


Everyone has done this.. Lets just learn from this experience
 
Not defending the lfs but they are there to sell u products aka livestock.. They are there to try to get u to buy.. Like a person waving around a bone in front of a dog.. Dog got two choices to get that bone or walk away.. They got what u want.. It's ur choice to either buy of not buy.. So it's 110% on u and nobody else.. Now if the lfs pointed a gun to u and said buy this now then that's where I see the lfs is at fault.. It all bout the choices u make.. Can't blame anyone else
 
My question is, did you buy those two fish from the same place, around the same time? Sometimes, lfs get healthy looking fish in from the wholesale places, but they are sickly(internal parasites, etc.) inside that the lfs nor the buyer will know about. That's why most pet stores don't give guarantees on saltwater fish, because they're not as "tough" or forgiving as fresh water fish. This particular situation could be no one's fault, and nobody is to blame. Sounds like you just got unlucky and purchased sick fish. Some lfs will work with you if you bring the dead fish back within the first few days with a sample of your tank water to rule out bad parameters...others just won't accept the dead fish, because technically, it was out of their control as well. It's a learning experience bro, and we've all learned the hard way. Hell, I'm still learning the hard way after over a decade of reef keeping. Good luck with future purchases.
 
jeppun21 said:
Not defending the lfs but they are there to sell u products aka livestock.. They are there to try to get u to buy.. Like a person waving around a bone in front of a dog.. Dog got two choices to get that bone or walk away.. They got what u want.. It's ur choice to either buy of not buy.. So it's 110% on u and nobody else.. Now if the lfs pointed a gun to u and said buy this now then that's where I see the lfs is at fault.. It all bout the choices u make.. Can't blame anyone else
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I'll disagree with you on that. If the lfs misrepresented the fish, they hold some blame. There is always "buyer beware" but someone telling you false information to sell you something is wrong. Whether it was intentional or not. Car dealers lie and cheat all the time to sell cars, that's why people hate them. But if you buy a car because of a lie they told you, you can go after them.

That being said, i always research everything before i buy. Sometimes i still get burned, but i do my best.
 
Hey Dave, just stay tough, it is frustrating as hell to lose fish, I mean these are pets that we want to care for and enjoy their company! The only thing I can think of, well, beyond the lack of pods and mature sand-bed is potentially internal parasites, as Smitty mentioned, or improper collection techniques (cyanide), depending on how recent a shipment they were.

Get through this experience and learn from it is the best you can do at this point. Good luck with your future fish, and I hope you stick with it all, this is a very fun hobby, despite all of the potential setbacks!
 
Wow, that was an interesting 4 pages lol!

Dave, bottom line is this:

You went to an lfs, bought two fish, put them in your tank, your tank spiked ammonia, the fish died.

I've bought corals before where I didn't know much on, but I knew the family they were in, and the general requirements.

Now with fish, here's what I do: Excuse me, what kind of fish is that, it's really cool. Oh that's a so and so fish. Ah thanks. I then pull out my phone, google the name of the fish, find it, then read up on it and decide if it would be a good fit for my tank. Takes literally a couple minutes to find the fish, then a couple more to read up on it. There is such a thing as an impulse buy, but with having the capability of googling the fish to learn about before you buy it, it's not so much a RISKY impulse buy.

You've asked everyone a question, you were given excellent answers. Ammonia, need established systems, etc. For some reason you are not seeing the forest for the trees. You're taking everyone's posts as personal attacks, something you do all the time, then turn the tables and say, well like none of you have done the same thing. That makes no sense whatsoever.

If I had a fish die because of something I overlooked and it was pointed out by someone, my reaction would be something like this: Oh, dang it, I didn't even think of that. There is nothing wrong with making mistakes. This isn't the easiest of hobby's, and I consider it the pinnacle of aquarium keeping, which is why it makes no sense to get butthurt when people give you advice.

My suggestion, take it or leave it is this, if you don't already have tests kits, buy some. Test your own water vs. bringing to an lfs. Next time you buy a fish, pull out your phone and google what you're intending on getting.

As Joe mentioned, if you're still unsure about a certain fish, put a deposit on the fish, go home and do some research on it. There isn't any harm in doing that.
 
Hey aqua. Just learn from the past. I honestly pull out my phone each and every time I buy livestock. There is no suck thing as impulse buy when it comes to livestock. Risk is too big. It's not like impulse buying snickers over twix. Would you ever "impulse buy" a lionfish, shark, or even a tusk? Most likely a no and if so why would you impulse buy a diamond goby? Lfs definitely has a responsibility to be honest but I take any sales person and his/her information with a grain of salt until I do my research on the phone to see if what was said is true.

3 bottom lines.
1. It doesn't hurt to do research before buying so just do the research in future.
2. Wait at least another month or two or four before adding more livestock. One thing that is always said is this hobby should be done slowly. Take your time. I set up my nursery tank and had it running fishless for almost 2 months before I added any fish. Your tank is not going anywhere.
3. People are trying to help you so don't take offense. At least that's how I see it when I read the responses here.
 
I agree with these last few statements. I don't buy any fish without looking on liveaquaria, aquacon or any other site. I won't buy if I don't know all the requirements and potential issues.

Keep your head up man... Let your tank establish. I know Dr. Tim's is the new magic product and everyone is ready to fill a tank up right away. I still like the old school idea of letting a tank establish on its own. Just take your time and things will work out.
 
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