dino

The only ways I've ever seen people successfully beat it are total blackout for weeks, zero water changes and extremely limited feeding for months (allowing it to starve itself out), or breaking down the tank and bleaching everything.

How'd you get dino? Tank looked great when I was there! You sure it isn't just a ton of diatoms with microbubbles accumulating in it?
 
I have no clue. I'm pretty sure its dino. Long brown stringy air bubbled filled ugliness. Tank is now covered. I Turbos are eating it. Bought 30 today. Hoping they will help. I've reduced my light and cut down feeding. I am also manually removing a lot by blowing rocks off with the wp60 on high then killing all flow. With a net I'm able to take out a ton. Then I siphon sand and do a water change. I also raised my pH and cut out carbon. Going to start a 3 day complete blackout with peroxide dosing.
 
Sea cucumber time! I've had something similar, I believe, but my cucumber DESTROYED whatever was on my sandbed. I'd personally avoid the blackout; it's only more likely to cause an imbalance in the tank that'll probably fuel more growth.

Good luck!
 
ColaAddict said:
probably just diatoms and cyanobacteria
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That's what I'm thinking too. The tank is still pretty new so a huge diatom bloom isn't too hard to believe. One good test is to see if they dissapear or mostly dissapear at night. Check the tank with a flashlight and see if it still looks as bad. If not it is probably Dino. Another thing to consider is that it is extremely rare for any kind of snails, even turbos, to eat Dino.
 
I wouldn't do a total blackout for weeks nor would you have to because it's not only light sourced. I've never heard any one do this before cut back to 3-5hrs/day. Not doing any water changes is another very bad idea,they are floating around in your water column and they could have come from a new fish,coral,snails etc...try and daily siphon out the areas that are being effected. You want to lower nutrients as much as possible another reason why not changing your water is a bad idea. This would be a good time if you don't already have one get a carbon reactor and put a larger amount of carbon and gfo than usual,doing this helps out with toxins being released from the Dino and the excess nutrients. change out the gfo and carbon weekly.Then try raising the ph to 8.4-8.6 ph,2part limewater or baking soda. Also reduce feeding amounts. If your vigilant about removing them you can have success. Common theme here reduce nutrients raise ph and not go a crazy route and bleaching rock. Though it does depend on what type your dealing with so different tactics. Get a pic up and let's see what your dealing with.
 
vasilithegreek said:
I wouldn't do a total blackout for weeks nor would you have to because it's not only light sourced. I've never heard any one do this before cut back to 3-5hrs/day. Not doing any water changes is another very bad idea,they are floating around in your water column and they could have come from a new fish,coral,snails etc...try and daily siphon out the areas that are being effected. You want to lower nutrients as much as possible another reason why not changing your water is a bad idea. This would be a good time if you don't already have one get a carbon reactor and put a larger amount of carbon and gfo than usual,doing this helps out with toxins being released from the Dino and the excess nutrients. change out the gfo and carbon weekly.Then try raising the ph to 8.4-8.6 ph,2part limewater or baking soda. Also reduce feeding amounts. If your vigilant about removing them you can have success. Common theme here reduce nutrients raise ph and not go a crazy route and bleaching rock. Though it does depend on what type your dealing with so different tactics. Get a pic up and let's see what your dealing with.
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I've read a few articles that said dino feeds of carbon.

I'll get pics up tomorrow.
 
Depends on the type of Dino. Where was the source of the carbon coming from? It can come from carbon the raw material, carbon monoxide,carbonate......etc. It all depends on how the carbon enters the living organism. Some dinos don't use any type of photosynthesis and the ones that do have a problem growing/stunted growth with high ph levels. That's why you have to identify the exact one and treat it appropriately and understand it. That's the one problem I feel we have in on our systems. We never want to understand the reasoning behind the specialization of certain aspects of our tanks. We generalize and try things that are counterproductive, thus getting frustrated and doing crazy things instead of fully understanding some things that are very specialized. In the end though it's up to what the individual wants for their system and how involved you want to get in the understanding of what makes some things tick.
I just know I hate trying to figure something out and go about it the wrong way at first, then find out I wasted my efforts when there was a better way of accomplishing more appropriate results. Good luck with it! Keep us updated on what you learned and how you went about dealing with. It would be nice to be able help others to if they come across this. I treated mine the one time I had it the way I described and had great results. I just wish I had taken some pictures to contribute the progress and success.
 
I forgot to mention, you could always try using a ozone reactor if you have one and it's not in use. I wouldn't go buy one if you don't have the means but any extra idea
 
vasilithegreek said:
Depends on the type of Dino. Where was the source of the carbon coming from? It can come from carbon the raw material, carbon monoxide,carbonate......etc. It all depends on how the carbon enters the living organism. Some dinos don't use any type of photosynthesis and the ones that do have a problem growing/stunted growth with high ph levels. That's why you have to identify the exact one and treat it appropriately and understand it. That's the one problem I feel we have in on our systems. We never want to understand the reasoning behind the specialization of certain aspects of our tanks. We generalize and try things that are counterproductive, thus getting frustrated and doing crazy things instead of fully understanding some things that are very specialized. In the end though it's up to what the individual wants for their system and how involved you want to get in the understanding of what makes some things tick.
I just know I hate trying to figure something out and go about it the wrong way at first, then find out I wasted my efforts when there was a better way of accomplishing more appropriate results. Good luck with it! Keep us updated on what you learned and how you went about dealing with. It would be nice to be able help others to if they come across this. I treated mine the one time I had it the way I described and had great results. I just wish I had taken some pictures to contribute the progress and success.
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POST OF THE WEEK !!!!!! good work Bill



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vasilithegreek said:
Depends on the type of Dino. Where was the source of the carbon coming from? It can come from carbon the raw material, carbon monoxide,carbonate......etc. It all depends on how the carbon enters the living organism. Some dinos don't use any type of photosynthesis and the ones that do have a problem growing/stunted growth with high ph levels. That's why you have to identify the exact one and treat it appropriately and understand it. That's the one problem I feel we have in on our systems. We never want to understand the reasoning behind the specialization of certain aspects of our tanks. We generalize and try things that are counterproductive, thus getting frustrated and doing crazy things instead of fully understanding some things that are very specialized. In the end though it's up to what the individual wants for their system and how involved you want to get in the understanding of what makes some things tick.
I just know I hate trying to figure something out and go about it the wrong way at first, then find out I wasted my efforts when there was a better way of accomplishing more appropriate results. Good luck with it! Keep us updated on what you learned and how you went about dealing with. It would be nice to be able help others to if they come across this. I treated mine the one time I had it the way I described and had great results. I just wish I had taken some pictures to contribute the progress and success.
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To identify dino and a specific type do t you need lab equipment?

The whatever it is was still bad at night, but not as long? During the day the its about 4-6". Last night around 3"
 
Rich130981 said:
To identify dino and a specific type do t you need lab equipment?
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You could say that with any type of algae. If you have access to lab equipment or microscope then you should go check it out for yourself and break it down to the best plan of attack, but most of us don't have those resources. good thing we have the internet,pictures,articles and other user experiences that can help this process out of controlling the unknown things that develop in our tanks instead(or process of elimination of what they react to). They probably though have been in your water column for a while now and something in your tank e.g. High nutrients, different light schedule etc.....gave this specific algae the proper conditions to fully come to life. Look at the red blooms of algae that occur on some of the coasts. It looks like the ocean has blood coming out of it, but it's because the parameters in that part were perfect for the algae to occur. Like our tanks, but our tanks can be more automated/controlled than the ocean. Here is an article to help you out further to see what you think would be the best approach for you http://www.advancedaquarist.com/blog/how-i-beat-dinoflagellates-and-the-lessons-i-learned best of luck to you! Hopefully you don't have to break down your tank.
 
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The SPS dying might have fueled them. Plenty of people from the national forums has had good luck dosing hydrogen peroxide if you really think it's Dino. Research that.


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