Need help with diagnosis and treatment

if i strongly suspected it do you think i would have put a fish in my own tank after the guy said something. or maybe i said these fish have an infections let me put them in my tank and infect my tank. no i went on the majority on what people said and saw. and majority lost. coral beauty did not make it when you took the air bubbler out to fill the bag with air you left it on the floor and did not put it back my fault i should have checked what you did to my tank. and it seems that if you were in this whole thing to make a buck or two you said you werent even gona keep all of them. so i was looking to get a home fast for these little guys and you were looking to jump on the cheap price and buy them all and sell the others to make a buck and get some free black clowns out of it is what i suspect. which is fine and all but when you make a mistake you expect someone else to pay for it. if i was out to make a buck on these fish i got and sold them for full price i would have no problem giving you a refund. because that would be ripping you off. im no fish store.
 
if i strongly suspected it do you think i would have put a fish in my own tank after the guy said something. or maybe i said these fish have an infections let me put them in my tank and infect my tank. no i went on the majority on what people said and saw. and majority lost. coral beauty did not make it when you took the air bubbler out to fill the bag with air you left it on the floor and did not put it back my fault i should have checked what you did to my tank. and it seems that if you were in this whole thing to make a buck or two you said you werent even gona keep all of them. so i was looking to get a home fast for these little guys and you were looking to jump on the cheap price and buy them all and sell the others to make a buck and get some free black clowns out of it is what i suspect. which is fine and all but when you make a mistake you expect someone else to pay for it. if i was out to make a buck on these fish i got and sold them for full price i would have no problem giving you a refund. because that would be ripping you off. im no fish store.
 
Well back to the hypo treatment all but 1 fish died. To be fair I was not able to keep up with all the required water changes to keep the fish happy at the lower salinity. You cannot skim so lots of water changes. 1 fish my melanarus wrasse made it and he never had any signs of ich. I just think it was to stressful for the fish. I did watch the parasites drop off the fish. It was pretty sad to watch all the fish slowly deteriorate. I qt everything now. It is our own responsibility to keep our tank and its inhabitants safe. I currently observe for 2 weeks and medicate prazipro in week 3. I do weekly 15 gallon water changes from the display tank, the qt is a 29 gallon tank. QT is running back filter with blue and white filter material only. I have PVC in the tank for fish privacy and boredom. After QT I completely empty and clean out the tank. Refill with 100% new DT water and it is ready for the next fish. It is always running. No heat or lighting when no fish are in it. My fish store uses copper and I will if there are any signs of disease in the first two weeks. I use the Prazipro for internal "invisible" parasites. I QT for 6 weeks min. I have not lost a fish for a long time. I would get them in a QT and copper them and be prepared to do alot of water changes.
 
Ok. I still haven't started treatment on the fish in the QT. I want to start very soon. Zoomcorver, what would you recommend as a treatment for me? I like options.

My big concern, how do I feed the scooter blenny? It was really close to death before I was able to get my fuge working and my copepod population up. Right now my live rock in the DT keeps it supplied with coepods and the thing fattened up nicely.
  • Would cultivating a copepod food source work? If I use low salinity (which I have not yet fully committed myself to yet since it seems really difficult and the alternatives seem a lot easier), what will happen to all those copepods when they hit the low salinity water? Will they be motile enough to get the scooter to eat? Same question if I use Cu or other medication. Can those copepods survive in Cu for long enough so that the blenny eats.
  • Can I cultivate low salinity copepods - ones that like low salinity?
  • Where to get said copepods and how soon can I get a food source up and running? Can't use mine or can I. My fuge is teaming with the critters. But then I will be reinfecting the fish.


The black that had all those spots is still doing well. I don't see the spots. Could be different lighting. I'll look again tomorrow. Moves around a lot and "plays" with his two brothers but stays in one general area of the tank while the other two are all over the tank sometimes. It still seems to have something in/on its mouth.
 
I have:
Lawnmower blenny
Scooter blenny
Small Chromis
Large Chromis 3"
Orchid Dottyback
3 BW Ocellaris
3 Clarkii

How on earth would I feed the scooter blenny and the lawnmower may have issues too?

What would happen if I just keep these guys under close observation and treat if they get sick. Is it possible that if I keep them well fed and give plenty of anti oxidants like vitamin C, garlick etc.. that they could stave off this infection on their own?
 
Sorry Jeni. I misunderstood. Thought you were saying to use high vitamin C dosing in conjunction with Hypo Salinity. I would like to try this vitamin C only approach. Do you have information? Do you have dosage/product info. Any advice you may have.

Thank you
 
Thanks for your advice concerning vitamin C. I looked this up and I have found some of your posts elsewhere and so I think I see how to dose etc..

What is your favorite vitamin C product?

I do not have a skimmer. I have a good refugium. My nitrates are very close to zero. Do you think that a skimmer is absolutely essential with this treatment? What happens in the tank that I will need a skimmer?

I have been searching and taking pics of my fish, but I am seriously not finding any of those spots on that fish, or any of my other fish. The one fish that had the spots and the bubble in its mouth, is also rapidly loosing that bubble it had in its mouth. I did no treatments yet. I only QT'ed them in a separate tank, and then yesterday put them in my sump of my DT where I can watch them and easily QT them again. Theories that I have are:
The infectious parasites are taking a break from the fish and are rapidly growing in my tank as we speak.
Or the food I've been giving it, and the water quality (good aeration, no ammonia or nitrites, good Ph and temperature) have allowed the fish to stave off the infestation.
Or I am just not lighting the subject well enough in my sump to see the spots. But I do not see spots anymore even when I use the flash.
 
Wait, I did perform a single fresh water RODI dip for two minutes on Sunday evening on that sick BW clown.
 
You can't dose high amount of cabon source without a skimmer. You can get a big bacterial bloom (cloudy tank) if you don't have a skimmer to remove all that extra bacteria that will feed on that carbon source. You have to be careful dosing any kind of acidic element to a hyposalinity tank because the buffering isn't as good in hypo, so your pH can drop and kill everything. You have to watch your pH.
 
I have been observing closely and I am virtually convinced that the spots are nothing more than bubbles. I do not think there is any disease at all. I will post pics as soon as I can charge my camera. All fish are behaving normally. Eating, swimming, interacting, no scratching. The bubbles come and go move around and appear on other fish except that on other fish it's obvious that they're just bubbles. If so, sorry for the wild goose chase.

I think this is a good demonstration that credible and sincere eye witness testimony can be false. I hope that I am correct that this is nothing but a case of wrong conclusion to something that I never observed before.

It's a very good wake up call that I need to QT any new additions.
 
What I saw on that fish was not bubbles. Go ahead and net the clown and run your finger across his body. If its bubbles they will wipe right off.
 
There are bubles on the fish sometimes, but if I provoke a scare responce the bubbles come right off. Also sometimes there are no bubbles at all on the fish. On Sunday, that clown had been playing in the bubbles from a return pipe that was sucking air as a Bernouli suction. Also in my sump (where the fish are now), there is a considerable amount of bubbles from the overflow drain. I shut down the pump and waited for the bubbles to go way, and took these photos:

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There is some crud on the inside and outside of the acrylic. I really do believe that I saw bubbles and the previous pics were nothing but bubbles. I can keep these fish under observation in the sump and also for easy retrieval. How long should I do so.

They seem to be surprisingly comfortable and at ease down there in close quarters. Even the Dottyback is out and about most of the time.
 
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