jrpark22000
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Yes, It's below accurate detectable levels on the same hach spectrophotometer when using the standard range reagents, 0-2.5mg/l. Nitrite is also very low at .02mg/l when using the low range reagents, 0-.3mg/l.
Santa Monica UAS ATS Turf Scrubber review - hog and surf - EPIC FAILURE
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Yes, It's below accurate detectable levels on the same hach spectrophotometer when using the standard range reagents, 0-2.5mg/l. Nitrite is also very low at .02mg/l when using the low range reagents, 0-.3mg/l.
jrpark22000
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entry #21:
End of week 25. No changes in lighting, iron dosin, carbon dosing or air pump volume. Po4 is high so changing GFO today. N03 is still elevated, but coral color, growth and overall health look great. I'll refrain from increasing carbon dosing unless it gets higher.
nitrate 11ppm, 2.5 on the hach specrtophotometer
po4 .11ppm on the same meter
The HA in the hog3 is all but gone. Both scruubbers are back to only red bubble algae and the other green algae. I continue to pull the loss out of each weekly as well as cleaning the sump glass between the hog3.
End of week 25. No changes in lighting, iron dosin, carbon dosing or air pump volume. Po4 is high so changing GFO today. N03 is still elevated, but coral color, growth and overall health look great. I'll refrain from increasing carbon dosing unless it gets higher.
nitrate 11ppm, 2.5 on the hach specrtophotometer
po4 .11ppm on the same meter
The HA in the hog3 is all but gone. Both scruubbers are back to only red bubble algae and the other green algae. I continue to pull the loss out of each weekly as well as cleaning the sump glass between the hog3.
SantaMonica
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Might be time to sell it. Whatever is in the water is stopping it from growing. Rare but has happened.
Would be a great test, to see how it responds in someone else's water.
Would be a great test, to see how it responds in someone else's water.
SantaMonica
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Or if you still want to run it, I can send some growth from our. It's never worked for anyone, but you could still try.
jrpark22000
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[MENTION=3087]SantaMonica[/MENTION] I was and still am shocked and speachless.
To all those who are following the updates;
It appears the review of the surf4 is over. I'll update the thread with my final results, photos and overall conclusion of it on my tank.
I'm not giving up on an ATS on my tank, just the hope the surf4 will work. I'm still following Devon in his similar plight to grow HA. His latest update shows more provimse.
[video=youtube;zcwBmkx7xwQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcwBmkx7xwQ[/video]
Stay tuned for the next evolution of my attempt to get a successful ATS going. I'll keep up a control experiment and again proceed mythodically to make an honest comparison and hopeful conclusion to the test. It'll all be documented right in this thread. No need to change the channel
To all those who are following the updates;
It appears the review of the surf4 is over. I'll update the thread with my final results, photos and overall conclusion of it on my tank.
I'm not giving up on an ATS on my tank, just the hope the surf4 will work. I'm still following Devon in his similar plight to grow HA. His latest update shows more provimse.
[video=youtube;zcwBmkx7xwQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcwBmkx7xwQ[/video]
Stay tuned for the next evolution of my attempt to get a successful ATS going. I'll keep up a control experiment and again proceed mythodically to make an honest comparison and hopeful conclusion to the test. It'll all be documented right in this thread. No need to change the channel
jrpark22000
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entry #22:
End of week 27. No changes in lighting, iron dosing, or air pump volume. No3 again jumped so I had to increase vinegar dosing. I'm now starting to see brown bacteria growing in the GAC reactor, the entire reason I wanted to get away from vinegar. I've also stopped all iron dosing. Looking back at records, the n03 level change was shortly after starting iron dosing. It may be coincidence, but time will tell.
Last Sunday's test results.
nitrate 10.12ppm, 2.3 on the hach spectrophotometer
po4 .03ppm on the same meter
Here's the final shot of the surf4. You can see it grows red bubble algae quite well. I removed the scrubber on Sunday to make room for the next test.
View attachment 11837
The hog3 is still at 19 hours of light and I've used the fabric light blocker to cover 2/3 of the LEDs again. It'll remain in the sump in this fashion for the foreseeable future. I did remove the large superluft pump and am now feeding the hog3 from the shared air compressor/reservoir that I feed my ozone reactor and K1 reactor with. The hog3 has a similar but slightly less volume of air on this new shared resource.
End of week 27. No changes in lighting, iron dosing, or air pump volume. No3 again jumped so I had to increase vinegar dosing. I'm now starting to see brown bacteria growing in the GAC reactor, the entire reason I wanted to get away from vinegar. I've also stopped all iron dosing. Looking back at records, the n03 level change was shortly after starting iron dosing. It may be coincidence, but time will tell.
Last Sunday's test results.
nitrate 10.12ppm, 2.3 on the hach spectrophotometer
po4 .03ppm on the same meter
Here's the final shot of the surf4. You can see it grows red bubble algae quite well. I removed the scrubber on Sunday to make room for the next test.
View attachment 11837
The hog3 is still at 19 hours of light and I've used the fabric light blocker to cover 2/3 of the LEDs again. It'll remain in the sump in this fashion for the foreseeable future. I did remove the large superluft pump and am now feeding the hog3 from the shared air compressor/reservoir that I feed my ozone reactor and K1 reactor with. The hog3 has a similar but slightly less volume of air on this new shared resource.
SantaMonica
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If you have another tank, it would be a great test to put the surf into. Like any aquarium equipment, or even like corals, most work great but a certain percentage has trouble. We've been able to help most of the trouble ones, but the last few like yours ends up doing great in someone else's tank. They are, after all, living organisms, and they can only grow in certain conditions.
jrpark22000
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Yeah, I just don't agree that my tank cannot grow algae. From all your recent posts, it's implied there is something in my tank preventing algae from growing and to give up. There is stil another conclusion, the ATS itself won't work on my system. For the test and review to be complete, it's time to try another ATS.
Great update from Devon.
[video=youtube;NaIXaNhLQxM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaIXaNhLQxM[/video]
Great update from Devon.
[video=youtube;NaIXaNhLQxM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaIXaNhLQxM[/video]
Awww. Well, i had to put the black screen back on mine since the macro i've been growing out-competed it. Pruned that back and adding the black cloth 100% has returned my scrubber to filling back up.
One note - i noticed the macro outcompeting it after i did a thorough scrub with the toothbrush as recommended. When i just pulled it out by hand, it grew back very lush and quick.
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One note - i noticed the macro outcompeting it after i did a thorough scrub with the toothbrush as recommended. When i just pulled it out by hand, it grew back very lush and quick.
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SantaMonica
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HOG1x ?
jrpark22000
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This is what I'm talking about! LAtest update from Devon.
[video=youtube;2miyYv7FKwo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2miyYv7FKwo[/video]
[video=youtube;2miyYv7FKwo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2miyYv7FKwo[/video]
SantaMonica
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Yes when I created that waterfall design in 2008, it worked for a lot of situations (except underwater, of course). Looks like the bacterial load in Devon's tank right now is favoring it.
jrpark22000
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[MENTION=3087]SantaMonica[/MENTION] Can you expound more on bacterial load affecting growth?
SantaMonica
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Certain rare combinations of nutrients and bacteria cause that particular type of algae to grow which has trouble attaching to strings. Seems to be about 1 out of 100 saltwater scrubbers. I kick-started one once, by using Chemi-Clean, which got rid of the bacteria long enough for GHA to attach.
jrpark22000
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It seems your results and conclusion are observation based. Drawing a conclusion of bacterial load seems to be the next guess a long series of trial and error.
Your 1 in 100 stats is based off all of your scrubbers sales? I'd be curious how you track such a low number to think it's accurate. My experience so far, Devon's, one other in this thread, and a few others on this forum using the small drop ATS, all appear to have this the same type of algae.
Okay, so i let my filter sock go far too long without being cleaned. As a result the raw tank water was spilling over into my bubble trap and to my fuge, which has cause a burst in macro growth as well as a burst in micro. 
. Hog1x barely had anything growing at this point.
Took out the sock. 4 days later i have crazy good growth again. Answered that question
i am going to toss a hob filter on to run some carbon to help thing along. hopefully now that i've determined that my filter sock was hindering things i will keep up with swapping it out better.
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. Hog1x barely had anything growing at this point.Took out the sock. 4 days later i have crazy good growth again. Answered that question
i am going to toss a hob filter on to run some carbon to help thing along. hopefully now that i've determined that my filter sock was hindering things i will keep up with swapping it out better. 
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